DEFF

REV - REViSi0N => Past, Current And Ongoing Projects => Topic started by: REV_BL!TZKR!EG on 20170830, 15:54:20

Title: [TEC] Reworking Marine-/U-Bootversorger, Milchkuehe, Suppliers
Post by: REV_BL!TZKR!EG on 20170830, 15:54:20
Thesis:
 
In my efforts to help an old friend with his mod I stumbled across irritating facts that have apparently never been thoroughly revised in SH3's existence.
 
I then programmed a tool that brought overview into this, because I felt the need to update "Doenitz Elite Flotilla - [S3O] - Operation Spinnennetz (auto-updated WORLD-MAPS) (http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=90200)" as well. There we continued on the basis of Canovaro's data which currently shows this overview:
 
(http://www.donitzeliteflotilla.com/OpSpinNet/GFX/resupplytable.gif)
 
Besides the unmodded vanillla-version (="Stock 1.4b (http://www.donitzeliteflotilla.com/forum/index.php?msg=3951)") this thread covers the major mega-mods of SH3 (use the provided quick-links!): The goal is to have HISTORICALLY ACCURATE data in the GUI and the game-data. The output of my tool does not only show the ingame-LON/LAT-values, it includes for the first time a converted data of the KMPQ (="KriegsMarine PlanQuadrat", which matches S3O) in the syntax.PQ= PQ1234, i.e. not only four but 6 (!) digits, for instance BF7961.


I have begun with the details and will walk all the way through my list of Mega-Mods.
 
Collected conclusions:
 
The sorting is important. It must NOT (!) be sorted by date. Always "place before time"...Because: How do you play?
 
You first look WHERE you now are, then you look WHAT DATE it is and then you look where you can go.
Everything else might look good or be historical accurate - but just not usable for players

It is a big pity that Susi's administration has never considered an area to discuss topics that apply for all games simulating GERMAN U-Boote, otherwise modders could have much more cooperated.
 
And the following posts by gap (http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/member.php?u=272959) would not have gone missed - I took his texts and added:
 
Title: = Stock 1.4b = Ingame data
Post by: REV_BL!TZKR!EG on 20170830, 15:55:15
This is how "Stock 1.4b" (i.e. the unmodified game) handles it:
 
 [ ] Marine-Versorger available.
  [ ] Milchkuh-U-Boote available.
  [ ] Dock to them to replenish fuel and ammo

-output:
Title: = GWX 3.0 GOLD = Ingame Data & Help
Post by: REV_BL!TZKR!EG on 20170830, 15:56:28
This is standard GWX:

- output:
(https://abload.de/img/20170403_1855096dcbm.png)



The following mega-mods show no difference:


The help file contents of GWX for comparison
Title: = WAC 4.1 = Ingame Data & Help
Post by: REV_BL!TZKR!EG on 20170830, 15:58:53
WAC 4.1 -AND!- WAC 5b1 show identical results, I thought the release-version 5.0 would be different, because it should be fully compatible with OPERATION SPINNENNETZ (http://www.donitzeliteflotilla.com/OpSpinNet/mapcontact.htm) (S3O), but well...
 
 LND!

and SCR:



This list makes not much sense since it is too vague - where would be "Nord-West Atlantik"? That tells you nothing as to WHERE ACTUALLY to go to. You cannot just go to "Nord-West-Atlantik" because you will never find the boat with such poor destination-data.
 
 (http://abload.de/img/marineversorgerundmil5aa3n.jpg)
Title: = NYGM 3.7F = Ingame Data & Help
Post by: REV_BL!TZKR!EG on 20170830, 16:01:12
let's see...


(https://abload.de/img/kjlhrob4fk9d.png)
Title: = LSH3V6 = Ingame Data & Help
Post by: REV_BL!TZKR!EG on 20170830, 16:03:16
[X] Marine-Versorger available.
  [X] Milchkuh-U-Boote available.
  [X] You can dock to them to replenish fuel and ammo.
 
 
 This is the more complex data of LSH3V6


good tga as dragsheet, BUT
 sorted per date
 only KMPQ/4dg
 sometimes KMPQ missing, then useless because way too vague
 
 (http://abload.de/img/marineversorgerlshh4udx.png)
Title: = CCoM = Ingame Data & Help
Post by: REV_BL!TZKR!EG on 20170830, 16:03:49
When I find time...
Title: = GWR = Ingame Data & Help
Post by: REV_BL!TZKR!EG on 20170830, 16:04:43
has only slight changes compared to GWX3:
Title: GAP I & II with additions by me
Post by: REV_BL!TZKR!EG on 20170830, 16:08:30
 
U-Boot refitting at sea
 Part I: German tankers interned in Spanish ports

 
 
 
 Even though neutrality regulations prohibited merchant ships interned in neutral ports to refit war ships or U-Boote, with connivance of the Spanish authorities some ships secretly refuelled and provided U-Boot with provisions. These refittings usually took place at night, when the risk of being caught was smaller, and they were abondoned by late 41- early 42, when the commissioning of the new type XIV Milchkuh U-Boote rendered the use of surface vessels for U-Boot refitting needless.
 
 The list of the interned German tankers and U-Boot that refuelled from  them follows below.
 
 
 
 (https://abload.de/img/resupplier_maxalbrechaful4.jpg)
 
 Ship name: MV Max Albrecht
 Location: Ferrol (Galicia)
 Documented refits from this unit (3):
 (https://abload.de/img/resupplier_bessel96upt.jpg)
 
 Ship name: MV Bessel
 Location: Vigo (Galicia)
 Documented refits from this unit (8): (http://www.donitzeliteflotilla.com/OpSpinNet/GFX/resupplier_thalia.jpg)
 
 Ship name: MV Thalia
 Location: Cadiz (Andalusia), KMPQ=CG9521
 Documented refits from this unit (6):
 (https://abload.de/img/resupplier_corrientes0gunt.jpg)
 
 Ship name: MV Corrientes
 ...continued below...
 
 (https://abload.de/img/resupplier_charlottesqou8l.jpg)
 
 
Ship Name: MV Charlotte Schliemann
 Location: Las Palmas (Canary Islands), KMPQ= DH9461
 Documented refits from these two units (6):

 
U-Boot refitting at sea
 Part II: Surface units in the Atlantic and Indian Ocean

 
 
 (https://abload.de/img/resupplier_pinguin43uyj.jpg)
 
 Ship Name: Pinguin (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_auxiliary_cruiser_Pinguin) (Ehrenfels class auxiliary cruiser HSK-5 / Schiff 33) (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_auxiliary_cruiser_Pinguin)
 Locations: below
 Documented refits from this unit (1):
 
 
 (https://abload.de/img/versorger_nordmarkzmuns.jpeg)
 
 Ship Name: Nordmark (Dixie) (Dithmarschen class)
 Locations: below
 Documented refits from this unit (4):
 
 
 (https://abload.de/img/resupplier_kormoran3iuep.jpg)
 
 Ship Name: Kormoran (HSK-8 / Schiff 41) (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_auxiliary_cruiser_Kormoran)
 Locations: below
 (http://rpmedia.ask.com/ts?u=/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f7/Bundesarchiv_Bild_146-1985-074-27%2C_Hilfskreuzer_Kormoran.jpg/65px-Bundesarchiv_Bild_146-1985-074-27%2C_Hilfskreuzer_Kormoran.jpg)Documented refits from this unit (2):
 
 
 (https://abload.de/img/resupplier_egerland7suxn.jpg)
 
 Ship Name: Egerland
 Locations: below
 Documented refits from this unit (7):
 
 
 (https://abload.de/img/resupplier_belchenex-wxu67.jpg)
 
 Ship Name: Belchen (ex Sysla)
 Locations: below
 Documented refits from this unit (3):
  
 (http://www.donitzeliteflotilla.com/OpSpinNet/GFX/resupplier_Lothringen%28ex-Papendrecht%29.jpg)

 
 Ship Name: Lothringen (ex-Papendrecht! (http://www.kbismarck.com/kriegsmarine-tankers.html))
 Locations: below
 Documented refits from this unit (1):
    
 
 (http://www.u-historia.com/uhistoria/historia/guerra/3afase/3a-12.jpg)
 
 Ship Name: Python
 
Locations: below
 Documented refits from this unit (4):
  
 
 (https://abload.de/img/resupplier_atlantiskmu1x.jpg)
 
 Ship Name: Atlantis (HSK-2 / Schiff 16) (Ehrenfels class auxiliary cruiser) (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_auxiliary_cruiser_Atlantis)
 Locations: below
 Documented refits from this unit (2):
 
 
 (https://abload.de/img/resupplier_charlottes88ujr.jpg)
 
 Ship Name: Charlotte Schliemann
 Locations: below
 Documented refits from this unit (9):
  
 (https://abload.de/img/resupplier_brake8audm.jpg)

 
 Ship Name: Brake
 Locations: below
 Documented refits from this unit (6):

 

I have also found data about these:
 
 CHARLOTTE SCHLIEMANN:
 21.08.39 Aruba aus
 02.09.39 Las Palmas ein
 23.02.42 Las Palmas aus
 20.10.42 Yokohama ein
 25.05.43 Kobe aus
 28.08.43 Yokohama ein
 12.01.44 Singapur aus
 12.02.44 +
 
 BRAKE
 19.08.39 Rotterdam aus nach Aruba
 29.08.39 Vigo ein
 02.03.41 Vigo aus
 08.03.41 St. Nazaire ein
 26.09.42 La Pallice aus
 23.12.42 Yokohama ein
 26.08.43 Penang aus
 26.09.43 Penang ein
 26.02.44 Penang aus
 12.03.44 +
 
 Quelle:
 Cai BOJE, Bernd OESTERLE, ISBN 3-931129-22-5
 Die deutsche Handelsschiffahrt bei Kriegsausbruch 1939


Always remember:
 
LONgitude = distance from MERIDIAN
 - is WEST
 + is EAST
 
 LATitude = distance from Equator
 - is SOUTH
 + is NORTH
 
 Ingame values in
[m].
 And Heinrich's converter has rounding errors.


Updated as far as I could. In fact 'we' from The Doenitz Elite Flotilla:
 Thanks to nocken/| (http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=220128)DEF (http://www.donitzeliteflotilla.com)| (http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=220128) for help with the images (as always).
 Thanks to lederhosen/| (http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=220128)DEF (http://www.donitzeliteflotilla.com)| (http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=220128) for reporting the PQPOS that I calculated.
 I then compiled the rest on the server.
 
 More links: http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/show...3&postcount=11 (http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showpost.php?p=2439283&postcount=11)
 Other German supply ships:
 

Title: Re: [TEC] Reworking Marine-/U-Bootversorger, Milchkuehe, Suppliers
Post by: REV_BL!TZKR!EG on 20211105, 13:23:16
Found some old data compiled in a .txt file. Unforfunately it does not show WHEN the ships were at the listed positions.


Ship Name: Pinguin

U-65 pos: 06°27'N, 31°09'W = ER5655 and 01°57'N, 34°45'W = FC1255
U-106 pos: 02°51'N, 30°15'W = ER9755 and 02°51'N, 27°33'W = ES7755
U-105 pos: 02°51'N, 31°09'W = ER8955 and 03°45'N, 31°09'W = ER8655 and 07°21'N, 31°09'W = ER5355


Ship Name: Kormoran

U-124 pos: 07°21'N, 30°15'W = ER6155 and 02°51'N, 33°51'W = ER7955
U-105 pos: 02°51'N, 31°09'W = ER8955


Ship Name: Egerland

U-107 pos: 06°27'N, 29°21'W = ER6555
U-38 pos: 05°33'N, 32°03'W = ER5855
U-103 pos: 05°33'N, 28°27'W = ER6955
U-106 pos: 07°21'N, 31°09'W = ER5355
U-69 pos: 07°21'N, 30°15'W = ER6155

Sunk ... pos: 06°27'N, 29°21'W = ER6555



Ship Name: Belchen

U-111 / U-557 / U-93 pos: 58°39'N, 47°12'W = AJ2155


Ship name: Lothringen
Sunk ... pos: 10°03'N, 34°45'W = ER1255



Ship Name: Python

U-124  pos: 10°03'N, 33°51'W = ER1355
U-129  pos: 09°09'N, 32°57'W = ER2455
UA     pos: 27°45'S, 04°09'W = GF9355
U-68   pos: 27°45'S, 04°09'W = GF9355


Ship Name: Atlantis

U-68 pos: 24°09'S, 06°51'W = GF2955
U-126  pos: 04°21'S, 18°33'W = FE7555



Ship Name: Charlotte Schliemann

U-198 / U-196 / U-181 / U-178 / U-197 / U-177  pos: 29°39'S, 58°24'E = KR9655
U-510 / U-178  pos: 24°15’S, 68°00’E = KS3555


Ship Name: Brake

U-168 / 183 / 188 / 532 / 533 pos: 27°51'S, 59°36'E = KS4755

sunk: pos: 32.21S, 72.48E = JD1643